he is 38. normally when guys retire. there were times he was running around the bases, i thought he was carl lewis in his prime. this might be unfair to say, but he is also from the dominican republic. a lot of players from the dominican republic has tested positive for steroids. so you add that to, what did you say about the new york times report, where they said that he is tested positive. you've got to suspect he wasn't just eating all of his vegetables to do this. the suspicions are justified. >> so you're a hall of fame voter, yes or no, would you vote for him for the hall of fame? >> it says character and integrity, i'm not voting for any steroid guys with anything close it a good hint that they used steroids. so the answer to that question is no. >> thank you. >> appreciate it, terrence. >> thank you. >>.

hello, everyone. don lemon here in the cnn newsroom. thank you so much for joining us. we are watching a situation right now in birmingham, alabama. not sure yet how serious it is for if there is -- this is just out of abundance of caution. but international airport there is under a a security alert now. at least one terminal as been evacuated. h th is at birmingham shut ellsworth international our port. here is what we know, not that much pf airport police officers say they are responding to a threat they received about 4:00 p.m. local time about two hours ago. one terminal was evacuated. we are closely watching what is happening in birmingham. we will update you as soon as we know something. well watch closely because of what happened at los angeles international airport last week. new details are emerging tonight. prosecutors say the shooter fired at point blank range at

officer hernandez, who then crumbled to the floor. he got on the escalatoescalatort up. officers hernandez squirming around. road the escalator back down and shot him. two other tsa officers were wounded and treated at hospitals and released. 29-year-old high school teacher brianland mer is in fair condition. he was shot in the leg. cnn's stephanie is outside the airport for us. you spoke with a witness who saw the shooting. what did he say to you? >> reporter: very much so, don. he was here at the airport to pick up the bags that he and his wife and son deserted as everything was going down. they heard the first fire shots. hit the ground and then there was a pause.

and now, this gentleman i spoke to, he believes that's when he ran the shooter ran up the stairs and went back to shoot that tsa agent. this is what he said he saw from his perspective. >> we were up in security at the time of the shooting. we heard the initial gunshots. and everybody in security hit the ground. a lot of folks were scrambling forward. so i scrambled forward also. and there was a pause. and so i looked down the escalator. and i saw the gunman. he had his gun trained on the wall there and he shot him twice. so i knelt down. he ran up the escalator. he yelled something. then of that, i hit the ground. >> he said it was just terrifying. and his family, they got separateed. they reunited hours later after walking back to where they parked their car. luckily they had their cell

phones so they could contact each other. the other thing i want to tell you, don, is we have two other names of the other two agents also wounded. their names are james spear. he is 54 years old. and tony gigsby. 36. both of those agents were shot during incident. both are said to be home and recovering from their wounds. a little bit of good news there that these two gentlemen made it home, don. >> seth, you were there not long after the shooting. have you noticed any changes in secure snit what kind of security changes are they expected to make at the airport now that it is fully operational? >> reporter: it definitely feels like a normal day. on friday, it t was my day off, i ran in and was walking on foot here. i got stopped over and over again. they are not playing around here. the presence is much heavier than normal, even though it is usually pretty heavy. they are looking at how to redo

their protocol with how they handle these incidents. you can definitely feel the presence, don. >> stephanie elam, thank you. a letter set to taa chief john pistol raising major concerns about airport security around the country. the letter claims some tsa agents are overstepping bounds and putting passenger security at risk. the letter argues against repositioning of airport officers arrive from check points. remember, we told you yesterday, that l.a.x. airport police were repositioned last year away from tsa checkpoints to monitor larger areas. here is part of the letter from airport police crews. go with me. this is a current statute require this a law enforcement officer be able to provide prompt responsiveness with problems at screening check points. definition of prompt has been

interpreted broadly. a uniformed standard should be applied to all category x airports which would examine a law enforcement officers within 300 feet of the passenger screening area. joining me now on the phone to talk about this letter is one of the authors, marshal l mcclain. we appreciate you joining us. were you involved in any effort to move airport police away from tsa checkpoints at l.a.x.? >> good evening, thank you for having me. let me explain, that letter is from an affiliation of sorts. three airport police associations on the west coast middle of america in dallas fort worth airport and new york, new jersey port authority. so we wanted to add a standardized plaque across the nation in ou security profiles would be throughout the airports. what we are doing at l.a.x. is not the same that new york's doing and not the same that dfw

is doing. so we wanted to insure that we always have the correct amount of staffing available. and what that let are addresses, is some of the different inconsistencies and in allowing the tsa security directors at every individual airports or even pistol himself. to make different changes like the one about having knives going on the plane without having local law enforcement being able to push back like they should. >> okay. >> to answer your question about our officers, doing the roving checkpoints, clearly it works because they were there within 60 seconds. it is more of a broader statement about nationwide how things are addressed. at jfk or la guardia, you wouldn't have anyone there. maybe one officer for the entire terminal. so my question was, were you involve with any of the changes

at l.a.x. to reposition officers there? >> not at that matter, no. >> do you think friday's shooting would have turned out differently if an airport officer was within 300 feet of the tsa check point. >> i don't believe having an officer where -- the way our position -- our podiums are positioned currently, i don't believe that officer would have made a difference in that -- in the outcome of the tsa -- [ inaudible ] because where he was shot, and where the podium was placed, you wouldn't have the vantage point to see that. >> okay. >> does that make sense? >> yeah, because -- >> he was at the bottom of the stairs -- >> right. >> so some of the changes we wanted to have in place was to better fortify screening post, fortify where the officers position and actually have them at an elevated position where

they could see down and see people coming up before they got up on the -- >> right. so the video that when you were talking, it was perfect before. because when you enter l.a.x., you go to the curb, and almost immediately someone collection your boarding pass to make sure have you it. almost immediately you go up the escalator, up the steps, then security is right there. right? so he was at the top of the stairs, is that what you're saying? >> tsa was at the bottom of the stairs. so from where the screening station is, it is back a few ways, probably about, i don't know, ten yards or so from the stairs. so if you are at the rear of the screening station, you can't see to the bottom of the stairs. >> okay. cy want to read something from you. this is tsa's response. i want to get your reaction. here is what they say. each airport authority along with its state and local law enforcement partners is responsible for securing airport

property. commercial airports in the united states are required to have an approved airport security program asp. these plans are written and drafted by each airport local authority and approved by the tsa. it is up to each airport authority and their state and local law enforcement partners to follow the plan that's been implemented. so that was a response to a reque question that we had. >> first i'm glad to get an actual response from mr. pistol. we met with him a year ago about these concerns and he was pretty dismissive about them. as far as every local law enforcement agency having a say in the agency profile, that is correct. but when you don't have an industry standard that tsa can say, we will change this and you guys either take it or leave it, so we're changing it.

you have to have a complete national outcry, just to get pistol to back away from him. he was adamant that it would happen. he is over at d.c. and he believed that was -- [ inaudible ] >> yeah. >> when you talk away and the letter talking about addressing issues about cooperation and you have what they call detail with the air marshal on the ground and showing up at different local airports saying they are augmenting airport police when they have no authority to enforce any state or local law. so what we are trying to say, how about augment airport police when they are airport police. whether this is a local municipality, local police department, sheriff's department, these are the

experts at the airport. not tsa agent, not air marshals. >> producers, i know you want me to move on but this is important. we will have to kill something in the back half. so i want to ask this. there is a letter under 2012, were there any armed tsa officers at l.a.x. on friday? >> i have no idea. i believe there is only two armed tsa angents throughout the country. but they are in upper management level positions. they are not on the ground. so why they need -- >> two? >> yeah, up in management level positions. i don't know why they need to be armed. but what their necessary need to have those armed or to try and talk the idea of arming 54,000 tsa agents, i just don't think that's a great idea. let's let the experts deal with

it to train officers and train deputies that actually go to a police academy that are properly trained to do these things. >> okay. good information from you. thank you. we appreciate you joining cnn. >> can i add one more thing? >> absolutely. >> our hearts go out to all of the tsa agents families and passengers as well. something that didn't get recogniz recognized, officer dabney and i believe, morris, providing life-saving efforts to the tsa. unfortunately it did not work. if you see them rushing the tsa agent to the rescue ambulance, they grabbed a smart cart, quick thinking, and took his body to the ambulance. couldn't save him but i wanted to let you know that those guys

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transportation secretary for george bush. and david gergan was adviser to presidents nixon, ford, regan and clinton. and in princeton, presidential historian julian sellizar. is it th a reunion of sorts for anyone? >> i think we might qualify for that, don. >> david looks like every add mun strags so there would be a lot of reunions for him. >> let's talk about secretary sebelihe is bealsebelius. taking the blame for obama care. andy card, does every white house need staffers, even cabinet secretaries willing to take the blame and resign if it helps protect the president? >> i don't think they should take the blame if there's no culpability. but if they are culpable, yes, they have to stand up and take

responsibility. i was troubled. the word of the president of the united states means an awful lot. you don't want him to exaggerate or embellish. you don't want him to represent a lie. staffers around the president help keep the president's language consistent with the realities of laws and with diplomacy. and that's something that we have seen diminish over the course of the last several months. maybe even more than that. so if secretary sebelius allowed the president to make statements that were not a hundred percent accurate, like, you will be able to keep your doctor, period. or you never have to change your insurance if you like your insurance, and they didn't put caveats on that for a long time. then yes, somebody should be held accountable. >> youed something very important. he said consistent with reality. consistn't with reality. and mac, we're told that

president obama didn't know the health care website was a mess until after it launched and that he didn't know the u.s. was spying on leaders like the german chancellor. is "i don't know" an acceptable answer for a u.s. president. >> it is not a consistent pog. i think you have two cross currents here. i think cabinet officers and white house officials are expected to taken a assume full responsibility as andy noted and take criticism and heat. perhaps sometimes when it is not fully justified. i think harry truman had it right. the buck stops in the oval office. i think that's the way the majority of the american people look at it. >> other presidents had said, i don't know. top staff, top aides, could say, the president doesn't know details of how a policy is being carried out, david? >> yeah, of course, that's a

judgment call. they are the gate keepers not only for people coming in but also for the what the president is told. andy and mack have been there and keeps the president informed. look at the famous picture of andy card on 9/11 whispering in george w. bush's ear immediately to let them know there was a plane crash in one of the world trade center. that's what a good chief of staff does. >> david, one more question, supporters see president obama as cool and collected. critics say he is aloof and out of touch. do you think his personality helped or hurt his presidency? >> i think his personality has not been a good fit with the presidency, i must say. in fairness, let's put one proposition on the table. seven presidents tried to get

universal health care passed. mack and i were there with president clinton. seven failed. president obama came along. he is the first in history to get it passed. you have to give him credit, legislatively, for a big milestone. but the execution has been lousy. as andy card pointed out, we were grossly misled as a country and the passage of that bill might have been threatened if they told us straight that 10 million people would lose their health care policies and were assured they would not. >> david, many americans feel misled about that. will it go down that he misled the american public when it comes to health care? >> i think there's two parts of it. one is just the immediate impression that what he said was not true.

or there were limits to his promises. you can see that on health care and some of the benefits delivered and can you see that with the changes he promised in programs like the nsa. the second is more after leadership question. knowing how much political opposition he faced in health care. asking questions necessary to see if this health care program would be working and why when the nsa emerged with such a controversial topic wouldn't he be probing into exactly who we are surveilling. there is a bigger question of leadership that i think historians will wrestle with as we look back on this period. >> this is a great conversation. i want to keep it rolling. next, we want to talk about the influencers. those that have the ear of the president. like our two chiefs of staff is here. and the ones you may not know

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we're having a fascinating conversation with white house experts, including former chief of staff for president bill clinton. andrew card, chief of staff for george w. bush. david gergen former adviser to presidents nixon, ford, regan and clinton. couldn't you get one more president in there?

>> i'm trying. i might have one more chance. >> and julian zellizer, from princeton tonight. some on twitter said, don, come on. all these guys, was not rumsfeld not available? as a matter of fact, we asked for him and he was not available. valarie jarod is top adviser to president obama. she has known him since his early days in chicago. she has a huge amount of influence. mr. mclarty, does every white house have people close to the president who wield a lot of power in that way, in wait that valarie jarrett does? >> i think the answer is yes. i think the president will have a number of influences as it will. i think certainly the white house staff, i do think this president has had tighter control of the white house. and not used his cabinet quite as much as other presidents have. but you also got the first lady always influential with every

president as andy and david know firsthand and foreign leaders. depends on the subject matter, don. and the decision at hand. there's a number of people who the president will reach out to, listen to, and you've got to take in that information and make the best decision possible. and the old adage, don't agree with the last person you just talked with, i think that's still very much appropriate. >> mr. card, you heard mr. mclarty say this white house staff has moreover any other previous administration. >> i think they are hyp hypersensitive about control. what's very important, however, is that there are people at the white house who take a look at job and do it in an unvarnished way. in fact they speak very candidly to the president.

and i worry about that. i'm not sure the president is getting completely candid advice. for example, he should have been told, there president, don't say you'll be able to keep your doctor, period. there will be some exception to that. don't say, if you want to keep your insurance, can you keep it no matter what. these statements were not accurate. now i worry that they may have been a conspiracy of sorts to let those statements stand when people knew they weren't accurate. that worry mess more than who is who isn't close to the president. i want the president to have advice pr someone he trusts. and to have candid council from people that might tell him what he doesn't want to hear. he has it hear the reality of the words and not just accept person al its of being supportive or loving or whatever. i'm reminded that prime minister blair of great britain says america wants to be loved, but

it can't be loved. it must be admired, respected by -- admired by friends, respected by the neutrals and feared by the enemy. and i work in the international forefront. the president focused on trying to get people to love america rather than admire us, respect us and fear us. so i think that he has diminished the role of the presidency around the world as well. >> andy card, i want to give the other guys a chance. what did you mean by conspiracy, in a sense? >> people around the president knew that his public comments were not being fully reflective of the reality of the law, they should have gone to him and said, mr. president, you shouldn't say, period. there will be a handful of exceptions for that. that is not an unusual thing. david and mack know.

some of these promises came in the form of a major address. those words get scrubbed by staff. policy experts from not just the white house but all around the departments and agencies. and if someone allowed the president to say something that was not accurate, i worry about that happening too frequently. i don't want that to happen. there should have been corrections. press secretary could have said, i know the president said "period." there will be a handful of instances where this may not be the case. >> david, i want to continue on in that vein and ask you this. cnn.com quoted you as saying this administration has been good at creating poll policies but never good about etch cuting policies. explain what you mean. >> listen, all presidents bring with them people who have been friends, people on the campaign trail, people they trust.

and barack obama has done, valley jarrett is a first-rate person, a wonderful human being. they only bring people who have been close to them. you have to watch that. john kennedy was extraordinary good at reaching out and getting a number of republicans to help him in key posts in order to avoid inis a lairity. ronald regan brought in californians and also asked jim baker to be chief of staff. there are not a lot of heavyweightes who have independent standing around the president who can give him advice, you know, shoulder to shoulder. very hard-hitting advice and disagree with him. and he does not have in particular, heavyweights around him to execute policy. washington post has an extremely interesting story about the struggle inside the white house on who would run health care once it is passed. who will have the biggest start-up in american history.

who is the captain of that ship. heavy weights in that administration urge someone to have a start-up experience. technical experience. experience and new technologies. insurance business. president went with someone who could do that. he is an individual that does not have that kind of world class experience. and what followed is we didn't get very good execution of one of the biggest and the most important in american history and signature issue for this president. >> listen, i want to ask you professor, before i came here to cnn, i worked in chicago and i knew barack obama as state senator barack obama. he would be at chicken dinners and those sorts of things. he was a quiet guy. many people would say, is he in the room? i would announce him and he would be by a pole or or sitting

down and no one would recognize him. he doesn't seem to enjoy the back-slapping or back and forth compromise. is he too removed from the dirty work of governing and especially the dirty work of washington? >> i would have to say wyes and no. i think his coolness and detachment which was something special during the campaign is a problem in washington. we have to remember the opposition he faces. it is very intense. republicans since 2010 fought fierce budget battles and made it very difficult for the implementation of the administration it take place. it is also the effectiveness of his opposition. go back to john f. kennedy. he did bring it people, that is correct. but he was also unable to get a lot of bills through congress because of the environment he faces. so i think part of this has been about obama but part of it has been a very, very effective

republican legislative policy. that even though it cost the party in its polls, really hurt the administration in implementing these bills. >> i'm going to coin phrase -- >> i just want to say, that opposition is not responsible for the lousy execution here of the health care bill. >> right, right. thank you for that, david. again, i will coin the phrase, powerhouse panel. because that's indeed what this is. i want to thank julian zelizer, andrew card, mack mclairty and david goergan. thank you very much. ♪

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. nuclear energy is an issue that is highly personal and fiercely debated. i want to bring in oscar-nominated filmmaker oscar stone and birch. i will start with you, oscar. >> i've been involved in this for a long time and i became increasingly alarmed that we and environmentalists have been working on to tackle climate

change isn't working. it is all going in the other direction. >> so it has a huge set of connotations. >> there is a broadly-felt sort of anti-nuke vibe among liberal democrats as sort aftof a defau position. but young people are not afraid of technology. they see technology as solving problems. i don't find them to be that anti-nuclear. it is a real generalational split. the older people who came of age during the cold war, duck and cover, all of that, are anti-nuclear. the younger generation see this as a solution. >> andrew, is he calling you an old person. >> i guess so. >> you work for a solar company.

>> that's right. >> so you are against nuclear. >> well, i wish nuclear worked. it costs twice as much as solar power. we, as a he is site, spent over a hundred billion dollars trying to make nuclear power cheap. the price, however, has just gone up. 30 years ago by 5 cents per kilowatt hour. last week in the uk, my home country, embarrassingly, will buy from the power plant at 20 cents per unit of energy. that's twice the cost of solar. >> if what you are saying is correct, then why is it so tough for people to get the idea in their heads, in their thick skulls, if you will, about solar power. it is tough to sell solar. my neighbor sells solar. he said, i can't make any money. what is it? >> it used to be that way. things have changed very quickly. just in the last few years, solar has come of age. the industry is a hundred

billion dollar industry today in revenue and is growing 35% per year. so sungevity, can you go on to their website, put in information and get solar information. >> fukushima, chernobyl, i live in philadelphia, there is a huge nuclear plant. how do you tell it as something good for people when people have lived through these tragedies. >> all we focus on are the three accents. we have nuclear power for about 50 years now. 440 reactors working all over the world. out of that we've had three significant accidents. which you just cited. and according to the best science from the world health organization, united nations, that -- all of those -- the only accident that had any fatalities

or elevated levels of cancer was chernobyl. even then, the cancer mortality is less than 60 people. it is extraordinary. >> why should people watch this film? >> they should watch this film because this is the most important topic in the world. if you love your children, as we all do, and you care about this planet, we've got to find a way to displace fossil fuels. we need solar, wind, and a lot of nuclear. >> you're not against watching of the film so people can learn? why should people watch this film? >> i think hat's off to you for creating this energy debate. we don't talk about energy. but we both want clean energy for our children, and per the film, we need a lot more energy over the next couple of decades. the problem is, again, cost. those 440 plants are generating 10% less energy than they did just ten years ago because it's so expensive. >> let's talk about cost for a

second. >> quickly. >> go ahead. >> you said i don't know how you do this job. every time a nuclear power plant is taken offline it's because gas is cheeap. it would be nice if nuclear plants were being displaced by solar energy, but they're not. >> gas is cheap. >> and we're both against natural gas. >> it's becoming winter here. gas is cheap. wait until people get their bills, they don't think gas is so cheap. thank you. thank you, andrew, thank you, robert. appreciate both of you. "pandora's promise" airs thursday, november 7th at 9:00 p.m. eastern. it's going to be pretty interesting and controversial. make sure you tune in. you've heard of allegations of spying by the nsa. now there are reports that the nsa busted into google's supposedly secure servers. what that means for your privacy, e-mails, and your photo s. that's next. [ horns honking ]

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yahoo and google are angry, this after reports that the nsa broke into their data links. earlier i asked a cyber security expert about it. >> they're very upset because they're supposed to be keeping their information private and secure. so if the government is breaking into americans' accounts potentially in america, they

shouldn't be doing that. >> tell us about this drawing that was leaked along with some other edward snowden documents. does it show how the nsa broke into google? >> yes. think of google as having multiple data centers around the world. and what apparently it did is the fiberoptic connections between those big super data centers, they tapped into. they put a clip on or had a way to monitor what was going through those fiberoptic cables. and that's something we've learned from snowden that they've been doing around the world. but it's particularly disturbing that it's done with google because google is unique. it's the only entity in the world that has a mission to collect all the world's information. that's public and private information. so it's a unique pressure trove. the nsa is only collecting information about people that they think are a threat to the united states and to others. google has a mission to collect all information.

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